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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: Feral Children
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I was reading some accounts of feral children and The Forbidden Experiment. TFE is basically raising a child in isolation to see how much humans learn from other humans as far as behavior and personality and communication. Since scientists were unable to do this, they would use feral children and study them. Most accounts of feral children (real or not) involved the child acting like an animal and being timid of people. One girl would grab chickens and eat them alive and raw. They also all rip clothes off and refuse to wear anything. (I'm getting to my point) After all this, scientists were still unsure whether what makes us human is knowledge or instinct. What do you think? I immediately thought of my dog, Sierra. She acts soo humanlike it's almost scary. Compared to wolves, which are basically wild dogs, pet dogs are very different. More civilized and human-like, you could say. Sierra also seems more humanlike than dogs I know that were raised with other dogs. So what do you think, knowledge or instinct?
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Sshhhbabysle...
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:25 am Post subject:
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When I read this, I thought you meant people were keeping kids in isolation for the sake of study. Then I read a lot of the cases, and those stories of those kids are so sad. I think children will learn what they're taught. If they don't see people walking upright, then they probably won't know that they can and are supposed to do that. If they haven't heard a spoken language then they won't know how to form words. If they have learned that they need to eat to survive, and haven't seen people cooking food, I'm sure that it would be normal to kill and eat like an animal. I think all the things that make us "civilized" are learned behaviors...not instinctual at all.
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xaimeex
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:30 am Post subject:
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I read about a little girl who was raised by wolves and roamed the city where she lived with them. She would walk on all fours and kill her prey and eat it in the way that the wolves did she even spoke to them in howls and barks it was so weird. But i guess if she has been brought up like that then it is normal to her she doesnt know any different so its not like shes not human or anything its just that she was raised a different way to everyone else so has learned a whole different way of surivival.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:29 am Post subject:
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Swan
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:26 am Post subject:
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hmmm... excellent question.
I think that the 'feral children' are a perfect illustration that human-ness is not instinctual. I think humans (and all intelligent creatures) have the instinct to learn from their surroundings- be it wild or civilised.
I would argue that what makes humans unique from every other species on earth is that we are aware of our thought processes, and we can acknowledge that others may have thoughts/viewpoints different to our own.
I believe that humans are the only species able to anticipate another's actions based on considering their thought process. Humans are the only species that express guilt, embarassment, pride and shame- these emotions center on how my own/someone else's perception of me makes me feel.
Self-awareness and awareness of another's viewpoints are acquired through knowledge. Infants slowly learn these skills, and once they do, I think they become a functioning human. Knowledge is defintely what makes humans human.
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Nightingale
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject:
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| Swan wrote: |
| Humans are the only species that express guilt, embarassment, pride and shame- these emotions center on how my own/someone else's perception of me makes me feel. |
I don't think that's true. I've had experiences with dogs and cats that seem to feel embarrassment and guilt, perhaps even shame.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject:
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Nightingale
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:
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| summer_wildflower wrote: |
animals act "guilty" because we project out human feelings upon them.
A dog or pet may act as if its done something wrong-because we've taught it that it is wrong-or in other words, it knows that it will be punished for its acts.
Dogs are naturally loyal, and in a pack aim to please the alpha (hopefully in a pet/owner relationship that means the human) and fears disapline from the leader. |
Again, I have to disagree. One of my dogs gets very embarrassed if she passes wind or gets stuck under the duvet etc and we've never disciplined her for those kind of actions.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject:
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject:
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| summer_wildflower wrote: |
Animals are not human. they wouldnt wish to be. They are just as amazing as they are. giving them a 'human' status doesnt make them any better than they already are. |
Animals may not be human, but humans are certainly animals. We;re all animals, and thus have certain things in common. Many animals feel 'human' emotions. They form groups, get into fights, and so on due to feelings like jealousy and anger and guilt and such.
In regards to the OP's question, I do believe that some behaviour is "instinctual" and some is learnt. Genetics play a part [the extent of which is debatable] in how a person will behave.
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